Sovereign AI: Why Collaboration Beats Control | TechM Podcast
S/N: All Signal. No Noise EP : 01

Featuring Amol Phadke, Chief Transformation Officer at Tech Mahindra, in conversation with Dr. Rainer Deutschmann, Group Chief Strategy and Transformation Officer at Axiata Group on what it really means to be sovereign in AI.

July 6, 2026 34 mins Listen spotify apple_music
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About This Episode

Sovereign AI has become one of the most repeated phrases in technology policy and enterprise strategy. Governments are funding it, operators are planning for it, and analysts are forecasting it. Very few people are defining it with any precision, and fewer still are asking whether the dominant framing is actually useful.

Dr. Rainer Deutschmann opens this conversation with a definition that reorients the discussion. Sovereignty, in his view, is not a state you reach by procuring the right infrastructure. It is a position you maintain across two dimensions simultaneously: the technology stack and time. An organization may control its compute environment today and still find itself in a position of dependency within three years if it cannot receive software updates, manage licensing obligations, or evolve its infrastructure without external approval. The weakest link across either dimension is the one that limits everything else.

The model is not the moat. Your data, your customer relationships, your trust—those are the crown jewels.

Dr. Rainer Deutschmann, Group Chief Strategy and Transformation Officer, Axiata Group

The conversation then moves through the cloud era as a working case study. Telcos spent years moving from legacy on-premise setups to cloud-native architectures, and the organizations that came out strongest were those that preserved optionality rather than committing to single providers. The same logic applies now. Locking into a single frontier model or a single hyperscaler for AI workloads creates exactly the kind of dependency that the cloud era taught operators to avoid.

Signal or Noise?

The episode closes with a rapid-fire Signal or Noise round in which Rainer evaluates some of the boldest claims circulating in the industry, and with a forward-looking assessment of where the biggest operational risks will come from over the next three to five years. His answers are about adoption speed, and the growing distance between what AI systems can now do and what enterprises are actually deploying. Here are some examples:

Signal

Sovereignty has two dimensions: the stack and time. Controlling infrastructure today without a plan for software updates, licensing, and supply chain continuity is not genuine sovereignty.

Noise

Every operator that does not have a sovereign AI play in five years will be left behind. Sovereign AI is a market leadership opportunity, not a baseline requirement.

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Amol Phadke
Chief Transformation Officer, Tech Mahindra

Amol is the Chief Transformation Officer at Tech Mahindra, with a mandate covering enterprise-wide transformation strategy, with a particular focus on the communications industry vertical.Read More

Amol is the Chief Transformation Officer at Tech Mahindra, with a mandate covering enterprise-wide transformation strategy, with a particular focus on the communications industry vertical. His background spans three distinct vantage points on the telecom and AI infrastructure question: as a network architect and operator (BT, Alcatel-Lucent, Accenture, where he led global network services across the US, India, Singapore, and the UK), as a hyperscaler working with carriers at scale (Google Cloud, where he led the global communications service provider vertical), and as a carrier CTO responsible for deploying AI infrastructure in practice (Telenor). That combination of perspectives shapes how he approaches questions about where value is created and captured in an AI-native network architecture. At Telenor, where he served as Group CTO and EVP from 2023 to 2024, he led the operator's AI-first strategy and was directly involved in establishing one of the first sovereign AI factories launched by a European carrier, built in partnership with AWS and Nvidia. 

At Tech Mahindra he has continued to work on the practical side of agentic AI in telecom, including the Large Telco Model developed with Nvidia and deployed with O2 Telefónica in Germany, and a recent collaboration with Microsoft on an ontology-driven agentic platform for network operations. He has been a regular speaker at MWC Barcelona, Nvidia GTC, DSP Leaders Forum, and TM Forum events, and contributes to the Nvidia developer blog on agentic AI in telecom. Amol sits on the TM Forum Board of Directors and its Autonomous Networks Mission Board.

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Dr. Rainer Deutschmann Axiata Group
Dr. Rainer Deutschmann
Group Chief Strategy and Transformation Officer, Axiata Group

Dr. Rainer Deutschmann has spent three decades in senior leadership roles across Europe, South Asia, and Southeast Asia. He has held executive positions at Deutsche Telekom, Reliance Infocomm, Telia, and Axiata Group, where he currently oversees group strategy and transformation across operations in Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Sri Lanka, and other markets.Read More

Dr. Rainer Deutschmann has spent three decades in senior leadership roles across Europe, South Asia, and Southeast Asia. He has held executive positions at Deutsche Telekom, Reliance Infocomm, Telia, and Axiata Group, where he currently oversees group strategy and transformation across operations in Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Sri Lanka, and other markets. His perspective on AI is grounded in the practical experience of running critical infrastructure in diverse regulatory environments, and his perspective on what’s Signal and what’s Noise reflects the kind of rigorous, market-tested thinking that comes from having to be right rather than just interesting.

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